At the point that the temporal anomaly forms in the JJVerse to let the Narada pass through (even before it actually emerges, since the very existence of the anomaly diverted the Kelvin from it's normal routine) his head existed. While the event in the prime universe happens before the split, they don't exist in this universe TO go back in time. You are correct that the point that the timelines diverge is 2233. 21:59. Download it once and read it on your Kindle device, PC, phones or tablets. South Park. City on the Edge of Forever. If you time travel forward in time 10 minutes, you're still there, you're just you from a reality that is identical, and an identical you has taken your place in your originating universe. A clip from Star Trek: The City on the Edge of Forever, of Kirk and Spock talking with the Guardian of Forever. In the ten episodes leading up to The City on the Edge of Forever, Coon has given us the Federation, the Klingon Empire, the Gorn and the Horta.He is one of the best world-builders ever to work on Star Trek, and one of the smartest and most wry writers to work on the original show.Fontana is the best character writer on the classic series. [–]JViz 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (4 children). We expect all contributions in the Daystrom Institute to be thoughtful and constructive. That's why it branched off from the Prime universe in the first place, which would imply that it shares the same (altered) history, no? It's technically not you, but since the universes are practically identical, does it really matter? In addition to the Code of Conduct, please heed the following when posting new threads in this subreddit. [–]philwelchCommander[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (25 children). City on the Edge of Forever is a truly remarkable episode of Star Trek's original series. Consider Data's head from Time's Arrow. That same year, she died in a traffic accident. In addition, several EU sources set in the ENT and TOS time frames mention that nut all Klingons fell prey to the Augment virus in the first place. 21:58. He beams down to an unexplored world where he enters a time-travel device known as the Guardian of Forever and changes history in the 1930s. © 2020 reddit inc. All rights reserved. Full Ep. In the JJverse timeline. Looking for more sci-fi discussion subreddits? How did you do it? If it wasn't for the Borg ending up in the 22nd century Arctic, the Borg...wouldn't have ended up in the 22nd century Arctic. [–]philwelchCommander[S] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (12 children). In orbit around an unexplored planet, the USS Enterprise is on red alert as it passes through violent time distortions surrounding the planet. They would not be in 1930. I always liked the theory that Enterprise was in a different timeline from the other shows anyway, but maybe that's just because it makes my second-least-favorite series effectively disappear from canon. The unofficial subreddit for the discussion of No Man's Sky, a fantasy science-fiction game set in an infinite, procedurally-generated universe. How does that impact the question of "Can you visit alternate realities via time travel?"? No. The City on the Edge of Forever: Adapted from the Television Series Created by Gene Roddenberry: Amazon.es: Harlan Ellison: Libros en idiomas extranjeros Next 50 results. The Enterprise destroys the Borg, but not before they send a subspace message that will reach Borg space in the 24th century, just in time for them to start sending cubes to Sector 001. It can't be as simple as "from this moment on everything is different, but prior to this moment it is unchanged" when you have events in the past depending on events in the future. No memes, jokes, and other shallow content. We all know three dimensions, which we all see. "City On The Edge Of Forever" See the stars from a million places Porcelain skin puts our faces entwined in time Never lost my way for you Felt it all around me Never gonna stop Never stop anything at all Repeat all that we do Let's start from the beginning The times we've lost can be repaired That music you heard, was it this? Rendered by PID 11958 on r2-app-033b3304ad245143b at 2020-12-18 18:30:36.782791+00:00 running 38155e9 country code: PL. The sun had set and the city vanished into blocks of iron battered by the stellar wind. [–]ademnusCommander 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child). There is only one timeline, but it loops back upon itself in convoluted ways. If you allow for travel back in time, you need to allow for effects to precede causes. I like it since it patches up the Abramsverse without having to necessarily call it a parallel universe, and it fits neatly within canon. No paradox there. History, as you are thinking of it, is a straight line from the past to the future. A freak accident leaves the South Park Elementary school bus teetering precariously on the edge of a cliff. Bots and novelty accounts will be banned on sight. Who knows? For instance, according to Enterprise, the Borg attacked Earth in the 24th century because Borg from the 24th century time traveled back to the 22nd century and sent a signal that took 200 years to reach the Delta Quadrant. While I'm certain that both were told, in no uncertain terms, that their knowledge of future events needed to be kept a secret, lest they change the timeline, the pair still couldn't help but be influenced by what they saw from the Enterprise crew. The prompt can be explicit in the form of a question, or implicit in the form of a theory or analysis to be critiqued. But, after the time-traveling whales I can see why they moved on to other stories for those movies. Then Nero causes it to loop back upon itself, and the JJVerse is spawned. Furthermore, if we assume a true multiverse, then it is okay for cross-universe events to happen in some universes: You gotta remember that infinity means there will still be an infinite number of universes unaffected by those cross-universe events. True you miss out on this paradox but the universe typically doesn't like paradoxes and this might neatly solve it, at least insomuch as the TOS, TNG, VOY and DS9 ones go. Thus, there are those that argue that the JJ-Trek universe split off from the Prime universe at some other point, well before Narada arrived. And there's a clear-cut reason they would be: 1930 is before the two timelines diverged, and not afterwards. It would certainly be of interest to the Klingons, Romulans, etc. In fact, this was why Earth's first long-range starship was named Enterprise - it was a tribute from Zefram Cochrane to those people from a future that, ironically, his world wouldn't know anymore. Star Trek - 3x04 - The Enterprise Incident. the other kirk and spock wouldnt be there. It would rule out predestination loops because every link in the chain that involves going back in time would effectively land in a different universe. The central question seems to be whether the timeline before the Narada incident forked off as well as the timeline after the Narada incident, and it's not really clear which way it would go. But then stagnation, blah blah blah, cue Into Darkness. city on the edge of forever edith keeler: star trek city on the edge of forever: star trek original series city on the edge of forever: Prev. [–]CaptainJeffLieutenant 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (2 children). However, the changes that happen to the universe due to the Narada are not confined to points past 2233. Local Author Treats Supporters To Live Book Reading On The Sunset Strip. This subreddit contains spoilers for all of Star Trek, including the latest episodes of Discovery. If you want to post a thread which is not a theory, analysis, or open-ended discussion prompt, you must contact the Senior Staff first to get permission. The idea that the Narada crashed into a totally different universe next door...is possible, but then you miss out on all the fun of puzzling out this paradox. This also explains why things did appear different before the Narada ever came back (the Kelvin looks pretty advanced for a ship of her time...), [–]DarthOtterEnsign 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children). And yet, from inside my helmet I heard music and laughter from some unknown source. If you are looking for a more general Trek forum, we recommend /r/startrek. The existence of the NX-class was due to the Enterprise-E crew's protection of Cochrane's first warp flight from interference by the Borg. For all the events we know happen in the universe, the vast majority of them are pretty messy and disorderly. 01:49. 54:35. Every week Daystrom members nominate and vote on quality contributions. [–]JViz 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (15 children). 50:42. [–]philwelchCommander[S] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child). As such, their work and designs were so fundamentally altered that, instead of changing the timeline, they in fact ended up creating a completely alternate universe. Use features like bookmarks, note taking and highlighting while reading The City on the Edge of Forever: The Original Teleplay. If indeed the universe itself seeks a sort of equilibrium, perhaps you'd find alternate kirk and spock playing out events differently with miss keeler. For the full-size versions of the images click on the thumbnails below. [–]Meatloaf-of-Darkness 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children), Could be that the abrams universe never dealt with the Xindi, so when they were faced with the Romulan war, it really kicked Starfleet in it's collective asses to make Starfleet more of a "fleet.". Or perhaps they never went to the Guardian in the first place, and therefore McCoy never goes back and tampers with history, so you just find Edith alone but history intact. McCoy accidentally receives an overdose of cordrazine as the Enterprise encounters turbulence. There's still only one timeline, it's that there has been created a stable timelike loop between events one and two, where the same period is covered more than once. [–]philwelchCommander[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children). This subreddit discusses both in-universe and real world perspectives and both canon and non-canon Star Trek. what you describe is a paradox. If I go back and kill my own grandfather, my grandfather in my timeline is still alive, I've just forked off a new timeline where my grandfather won't exist, and neither will I, but I'm still from the timeline where I didn't kill my grandfather. This is interesting though because what if, as the temporal friction "erases" that version, we now get an alternate version of 1930 which plays out and results in events that prevent the Narada from going back, that would be a true paradox. In Enterprise, some of the Borg from the sphere are discovered in the Arctic, where they promptly hijack a ship and take flight. Fue estrenado el 10 de junio de 1998. Can the Federation eventually get the Borg as a non-hostile member by simply sharing their always evolving technological bounty? Summer Sucks. All Hello, Sign in. Now the left fork is red, the right form is clean. but that history must play by rules history should not have to. Star Trek The Original Series. (Recall, if you will, that it was The Motion Picture that first saw the bumpy-forehead Klingons in the first place.) Directed by Joseph Pevney. I feel the universe has to keep its own house tidy. Account & Lists Account Returns & Orders. Otherwise you would end up with a universe filled to bursting with ships and people who didnt even come from that timeline but from infinite aborted timelines, changed timelines and alternate timelines. You start by becoming a Crewman and selecting your division by clicking the 'edit flair' link in the sidebar. [–]philwelchCommander[S] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (20 children). nominate and vote on quality contributions. If the Primes are still in 1930, this raises further questions: is it possible to time travel from one of the universes back into the shared portion of the timeline and then return down the other branch? Time has to be taken as a whole. The same question applies for any episode or film where characters from the Prime universe time travel to eras before 2233. Please use the search function or the Previous Discussions archive to see if a topic you want to discuss has been posted recently. tl;dr: Do what you want 'cuz a pirate is free. It therefore must follow that before Kirk and company went back to San Francisco, George and Gracie were already abducted by a klingon bird of prey in the past, they just didn't know it until they went there. In the absence of thumbnails, subscribers rely on clear, concise titles to navigate effectively. [–]Arakkoa_Chief Petty Officer 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children). A freak accident leaves the South Park Elementary school bus teetering precariously on the edge of a cliff. “The City on the Edge of Forever” Written by Harlan Ellison Directed by Joseph Pevney Season 1, Episode 28 Production episode 6149-28 Original air date: April 6, 1967 Stardate: unknown … Full Ep. I assume everyone is familiar with the classic TOS episode "[The City on the Edge of Forever]( )". [–]Schmitty84Crewman 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children). So it doesn't matter that in the JJVerse no one goes back to the past, someone from some timeline did. [–]ademnusCommander 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (16 children). Browse more videos. Discovery Season 3 features a callback to the classic Trek episode "The City on the Edge ... Star Trek Discovery: Carl's True Identity & TOS Connection Explained ... star trek original series city on the edge of forever: 12 3 4 5. use the following search parameters to narrow your results: The Daystrom Research Institute is a subreddit dedicated to in-depth discussion of Star Trek. Enterprise is a lot less satisfying if you don't actually believe it as a prequel to the Prime Universe. When I looked to the horizon I saw a massive rock overhang, and what glimmers lay beyond it haunt me to this day. If I had just had my rover I would have-ah, but that is little comfort to me now. To me this is a good argument for why time travel is actually impossible, but not a good justification for how it would work if it were possible. The City on the Edge of Forever" has placed highly in many "best of" lists of Star Trek episodes. That happened in Star Trek: First Contact. It seems intuitive to say that the timeline must have looked some particular way "before" time travel mucked it up, but there's no way you can actually prove that to be the case. ;). But then how do you resolve predestination loops? [–]philwelchCommander[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (3 children). Teleplay - Kindle edition by Ellison, Harlan and party encounters may been! The mirror universe bus teetering precariously on the Edge of Forever aprila 1967. godine this universe to go another... 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